Sunday, February 24, 2013

On Logic and Mysticism

One of the things I want to use this blog for is to express my intellectual / philosophical / ethical / spiritual views, because I feel they are at the very least different. But I do not want this place to be a kind of soapbox where I just talk about whatever I want, either. I encourage anyone and everyone to comment!

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

When I imagine someone close-minded hearing about a belief that riles them up, they act like little kids, plugging there ears and going "LALALALALA". Aristotle tells us that we should be able to hold, or grasp, those thoughts that we do not agree with, or perhaps better still, to carefully extract from them what we consider to be true and leave out the rest. Taking the diamond out of the rock, as it were.

Doubt envelops everything just as smoke envelops fire. 
It is very important to think critically. Let us consider that there are certain questions that are key to the human condition, questions that are intrinsic and that everyone is born having. Society gives us pre-packaged answers to these questions. We assume that we agree with them because we are told to, but we find that if we tilt the investigative lens inside ourselves we find that we may actually not. Forming our own opinions about things is how we avoid getting swept up in the current.

When we start to think critically, we realize that doubt envelops everything just like smoke envelops fire. However, just as there is a fire shining through all that smoke, there is still a truth. The thing about the Truth is that the truth is the truth everywhere. Gravity is just as much gravity here as it is in Africa. So, universalities about the human experience are also true no matter what part of the earth you stand on.

In other words, 2+2=4 is true no matter where or who you are. Other truths, much deeper ones than that, are similarly universal. 

Some of the ideas that are a part of the "wave" nowadays that we will discuss are: only believing material things to be real, liking the materialistic worldview, the belief of Matter over Mind, and denying, or hating outright, anything or anyone that would claim that there is a higher reality. These are also beliefs that I used to  uphold.

All of those beliefs are the mainstream today, even though the people who prescribe to them like to imagine themselves as the only sane men in a planet-wide asylum. But, nonetheless, if you ask the average man on the street about things like, "Who or what is God?" he will either shrug or tell you He does not exist. If ask people "What do you think Deja-Vu is for? What do you think Synchronicities  are for?" they will reveal that they have not given those ideas much consideration. If you ask them, "What about Lucid Dreams, and Astral Projections? What about Near-Death-Experiences? What about Healing Energy? What about The Flower of Life?", they will run away. They don't want to be guided out of Plato's Cave.

But, luckily, when I myself looked at these things, and in a lot of cases experienced them directly, it rocked my world. 



Bertrand Russel, wrote an essay "On The Value of Skepticism", which has a lot of valuable thoughts and points out flaws in the way that ordinary people think. How phenomenal if his belief could be adopted by everyone (what a pipe dream!). 

But I do not agree everything Bertrand Russel says. It is important to question even the most learned intellectual. Probably my favorite idea of his is the "Middle Way of Reason", which consists of three principles: 
1)That when the experts are agreed, the opposite opinion cannot held to be certain;
2)That when they are not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert 
3)That when they all hold that no sufficient ground for a positive opinion exists, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgement.

If you read in Bertrand's essay, he uses these principles to deconstruct (among other things!) religion. This is what we will hone in on for this article.

Who qualifies as an "expert?". Bertrand does not define for us what an expert means and leaves it to the reader, assuming that it must be obvious. Certainly he could not mean the so-called "expert"(s) that are supposedly quoted in newspapers and magazines. "According to "experts", 70% of statistics are biased, made-up on the spot, done under controlled circumstances, or just plain wrong!" Ha!

I, personally, would say that an expert is someone who obviously knows a lot about certain topics, has had a lot of first-hand experience on that topic, and also cares about it enough to want to learn more and more about it. Now, there are degrees of expertise and varieties of experts. One cannot be an expert on every topic under the sun, and expect to be an expert at all of them equally. 

So for example, if I wanted to know about Engineering I could ask someone who read lots of books on engineering (knowing a lot about your topic). Or, even better, I could ask someone who actually fixed or built things (first-hand experience on your topic). How much better if the man loves being an engineer! 

However, you would have to agree with me that if I wanted to ask him about, say, Underwater Exploring, he might not know a whole lot about it. He might have some general knowledge, but I think you would agree that if you excel at certain things you do it at the expense of other things that you are not excelling at. 

So then, when people look to ask questions about God, why do they ask Scientists? They are not "experts" on God. They probably haven't done a lot of thinking about it, since they're mind belongs to the outer world and not the inner world. I probably wouldn't ask a Mystic about Geophysics, either. So there is no reason why spirituality falls out of line with Bertrand's first principle. 

The "experts" on the topic of God are agreed about a lot of things. Every religion believes in grand and beautiful ideals like sexual purity and universal compassion. Every religion believes in punishment for sin and reward for virtue. The "esoteric" aspect of each religion believes in the direct, personal, here-and-now experience and contact of God through spiritual effort, and not just after death. So there is no reason why spirituality falls out of line with Bertrand's second principle. 

Of course, when people like Bertrand Russel are citing "experts" on the topic of God, they would only ever mention people like certain wicked popes, or bigots. It is foolish to list everyone who believes in God under the umbrella of "bigot", don't you think? 

Here is a thought: When asking about experts on God, why not consult Paramahansa Yogananda? Or Swami Vivekananda, and Ramakrishna? Or St. Padre Pio? Or St. Therese Neumann? All these people lived within the last 100 years. 

So, in other words: God, Mysticism, and experiences of the Otherworldly do not contradict Bertrand Russel's "Middle Way of Reason" despite the fact that he begins his article with making a direct insult to those ideas.


Scientist and Mystic
Isaac Newton, one of the the most brilliant minds to ever grace the earth, was a great scientist and a deeply religious man. It was not at all a surprise to the earliest physicists to discover that we live in a universe governed by laws. After all, one of the most important aspects of God, has always been a law giver. They also did not consider there to be a contradiction in religious belief and worship. Natural Philosophy supported theology because discovering the wonders of the universe increased our appreciation for the wonders of God. Isaac Newton, and several others, considered science as a means of worship for the inquiring mind.

A great website for this type of belief system, which used to be very popular before the rise of Fundamentalism (which led to people who adopted spiritual/religious ideas being painted with the same brush, sadly) can be found here: www.enlighteningscience.sussex.ac.uk.

From that site, some information on what Newton believed: (and other Natural Philosophers, by extension):
Newton can be placed firmly in the tradition of natural theology in which God's being was obvious from the order of nature (..) he condemned atheistic accounts which claimed that the order and beauty in the world arose by chance.
Pythagoras, another man who contributed greatly to our understanding of the natural world and to mathematics, believed in reincarnation (he called it, "The Transmigration of Souls") and emphasized the distinction between Mind and Body. Pythagoras also had the idea that the universe was explainable in geometrical principles, an idea greatly elaborated upon by modern-day sacred geometry.

This belief was adopted by Freemasons. The "G" on the Masonic symbol stands for both God and Geometry, because God Geo-metricizes. 


But perhaps no one demonstrates the co-existence of Logic and Mysticism better than Albert Einstein, who said:
 “Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a Spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a Spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.” (Einstein 1936, as cited in Dukas and Hoffmann, Albert Einstein: The Human Side, Princeton University Press, 1979, 33).
Another quote from Einstein, who was alive at a time when the supposedly "old" ideas of the Metaphysical where being thrown out the window in the light of atheism, materialism, and physicalism. I find this following quote to be extremely powerful because it is exactly how I felt when I first experienced the feelings from beyond.
 “The most beautiful and most profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior Reasoning Power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God.” (Einstein, as cited in Libby Anfinsen 1995).



But finally, my ultimate point for elaborating how God still has a place in our modern understanding is that there is absolutely nothing rational about rejecting something on the grounds of it being irrational, because irrational things happen all the time.

But it isn't enough to read about it, or to believe in it. After all: 
Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe
-John 4:48
How one can see the unseen, something many have done before and something all can do, will be the topic of a different blog post. 

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27 comments:

  1. My own view is that religion is what you get when you try to mix two worlds that shouldn't be mixed. One is the world of two plus two equals four, the world of external reality, where our concern is what is provable. The other is the subjective world, the world of "I feel connected to everything." Once you take that feeling and call it "God," you are:
    1) putting on it a label which you must then define in order to have it make any sense to use that label at all;
    2) moving this subjective experience into the world of external reality. The problem here is that, once you start accepting theories about things without proof, you subtly pervert your whole reasoning process. Suddenly you develop an area of blind spots where you can't be depended on to make sane judgments. An example: the pharmacist who refuses to sell contraception because it violates his/her religious convictions. (Better not be a pharmacist, then.) Another: the person who refuses to convict a parent who tried to faith-heal their tuberculosis-infected toddler, instead of bringing them to hospital, of negligent homicide, because "they were acting in accordance with their faith." (Both examples represent documented cases.) I am unopposed to people finding their own private spiritual communion with the cosmos. But once it comes out of the realm of subjective experience and moves into the realm of what we refer to as external reality, it becomes dangerous because it gives people certainty without the requisite of proof. The logical end result of such thinking is a President who uses legal instruments to accord himself the right to order the execution of anyone on earth with impunity, based solely on his personal judgment that the person is a terrorist, without being required to furnish any evidence whatsoever of the person's danger to the public.

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  2. Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOfqBoafTc

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    1. You told me to watch this video in a comment below. I find nothing more irritating than when people send each other links to things and do not watch/read them. So I promise you I will watch it, and will respond with my thoughts.

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  3. Also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wV_REEdvxo

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  4. Hello, Unknown commenter! Thank you for commenting. I greatly appreciate your comment because it shows that you "get it", and I was initially worried that my whole article would be unintelligible.

    It is true that religion and science are like the studies of two different "worlds". But I don't think that its wrong to "mix" them. Religion can invite you to embark on the deeply personal journey of "spiritual communion with the cosmos" (as you put it, and what a brilliant way to put it!), and it can provide the map, and it can help every step of the way. That is a way that Religion is necessary.

    I don't think there is anything wrong, logically or otherwise, with giving that feeling of "connected to everything" the name "God". Every culture all in the world has a conception of deity, and they are all very similar (not just compatible with, but similar). The fact that all of these cultures invented so many similar ideas totally independent of each other is, to me, evidence of their universality and commonality among al people. It is true that mathematics and logic can unite people because they are universal, but the deeper spiritual realities can as well.

    Your second point is a bit wrong when you realize that so many people would not embark on the journey if not for the fact that they bring there "subjective experience" into the world of external reality. I can speak this for myself, because if I wasn't inspired by the writings of such people as Paramahansa Yogananda I would not have gone on it myself.

    Both of your examples are sound, and they are both very tragic. But there are many instances where, because people "bridged" (as it were) the inner and outer worlds, miracles happened. Did you see the link up there about "healing energy"? Check it out! :) But I wouldn't want to take it over conventional medicine until it has been more thoroughly

    Hmmm.... it is true that people do very irrational and sometimes terrifying things because of their belief in a higher reality. I don't understand, personally, how someone could directly experience those higher realities and then do those type of things. So that leads me to believe that they haven't. But I'm not sure, and won't claim to be.

    Thank you so much for commenting what you did! This is exactly what I want to see on my blog.

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  5. I just watched the second video that you posted, as well. I could not watch the first one because it was too long.

    I think, if anything, the video proves that while there is a need for it, logic can often be like trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

    All of the people who have experienced the Divine, all over the world, sympathize with us when we say that we cannot believe any of these seemingly-impossible and great things, but there lives are testimonies to the fact that there are. Just becomes something is improbable does not mean it is impossible. That is my view

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  6. Too long? Really? Jacob Bronowski authored one of the best respected books on anthropology of the twentieth century. I know you're in the middle of a show at the moment but, when you can, please take an hour of your time to watch this extraordinary episode.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, if they are to be taken with any degree of seriousness. On the other hand, a claim that can be asserted without evidence, may also be dismissed without evidence.

    Let us go back to the first example given in the second video. You are told that, somewhere in the building you are in, is a room. What does the room contain? There is an infinitude of objects the room could contain: it could be filled with yellow split pea soup. It could contain a hundred Armenians. Tt could be filled to the brim with glass marbles. If we are to establish any of these claims as fact, we must have some compelling supporting evidence, otherwise they're just idle conjectures. But there are some things we can categorically conclude the room does not contain. It does not contain the Nile River. It does not contain the planet Mars. We need no evidence of this: logic alone is sufficient to rule out these conjectures as impossible. Similarly, we can rule out objects which are inherently self-contradictory -- a sphere with corners, a perfect being that needs worship -- as well as absurd objects: a bed made of sleep, a chair made of Thursdays.

    I object to the word "God" because it's a weasel word: people either use it to mean different things while thinking they mean the same thing, or when cornered, they go out the escape hatch of refusing to say what they mean with the dodge, "God is beyond mortal understanding." I didn't ask you to explain the universe, mate, I just asked you to 'splain what you mean when you use that word? I can go on all day about Flubber, but unless you know what it is (having seen the movie) or hear me describe it, you won't have a clue what I'm on about.

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    1. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, if they are to be taken with any degree of seriousness. On the other hand, a claim that can be asserted without evidence, may also be dismissed without evidence" - the lives of the countless sages, saints, gurus, etc that have interacted with the otherworldly are the extraordinary evidence to the extraordinary claims.

      It is not that the perfect being needs worship, it is that we need to worship the perfect being. If you really experienced the emotion of worship, you would have no doubt. Loving your parent is as distinct an emotion from loving your child or your wife/husband, and loving God is as totally distinct emotion from all of those and is a state of perfect emotional uplifting.

      It is true that sometimes people use the word "God" to refer to different things while thinking they mean the same thing, but not as often as you think. For example, people could think I mean a literal man in the sky, while I (and most others) are referring to an entity who is omnibenevolent and omnipresent.

      It is not an escape hatch to say that God is beyond mortal understanding. He is not TOTALLY beyond mortal understanding, as the great sages/gurus/mystics/saints can attest to, but as we are embodied on this earth I don't think someone could understand the Divine in its totality and convey it in words. A dog might have trouble understanding a human because a human is a superior, more complex being, that does things that may harm the dog but that benefit it in the long-run, and other things like that. Humanity has a similar relationship with the Higher Being.

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  7. Then there are those lovely fuzzy phrases like "a higher reality," "a higher intelligence." Those phrases could mean almost anything. Do I believe in "a higher reality?" What, you mean like that there are aspects of reality we don't understand? Well, sure. Do I believe in "a higher intelligence?" Well, I don't believe in Invisible Sky-Ghost, or Schizophrenic Loving Revenge Dad, if that's what you mean. Do I believe somewhere there are alien beings whose understanding of the cosmos is as far above ours as ours is above, say, a fox? The probability of that approaches certainty, given the size of the universe. But when you're talking about beings like that, their ability to manipulate the universe and our senses would be so far above ours that they would be able to so completely disguise their own nature that we would be incapable of saying what manner of beings they are. Consider the primitive tribe who has never been in contact with our post-industrial technology, has never seen a television or heard even an audio recording. Show such primitives a holographic movie of a man changing into a lion, rendered hyper-realistically by Blender or some such 3D package. Ask them what they've seen. A god or a demon performing magic, they will exclaim.

    This feeling of unity with the cosmos we were talking about earlier, could be explainable as so many things. Sure, it could be Invisible Sky-Ghost talking to me. It could as easily be the release of a certain dopamine in the limbic system of my brain. From the point of view of me, the experiencer, what its external explanation is doesn't matter. What does matter is that in that moment I experience a sublime unity with the cosmos, that needs no discussion and no explanation. To bring it forth into the world of speech and analytical thought is like spoiling milk by adding vinegar. It doesn't belong.

    P.S. I don't mean to be mysterious about my identity. I'm God. And I'm telling you, I don't exist. (Isn't that what Buddha and his predecessors have been telling you all along?)

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    1. I believe this article would clarify what I mean by higher reality more than myself: http://kjmaclean.com/wordpress/?p=126

      The primitive tribe could indeed see an alien being performing technological feats, and we could indeed think it was a Demon. But the difference here is that we lesser intelligences can graduate to that understanding and see how they did it- though perhaps by the time we do that we can no longer communicate in the languages and terms we are using now.

      Your second half of your final paragraph before the P.S. is all very true. I can testify to the difficulty in communicating out-of-body experiences, or the deeper, ecstatic states of meditation, into words. One time when I returned from an out-of-body experience I attempted to explain what had happened to my mother, and I immediately stumbled because I discovered that there are no words for the types of things I was seeing, hearing, and feeling. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't try! We come up with words for things through familiarity. We are not familiar enough with those types of sensations to give them words.

      But in other languages, other cultures, there are words for them. They call the state of emotional exaltation in the divine "Bhakti", in India. They call the feeling of "oneness" Samadhi in Sanskrit and Turiya in Tibetan.

      You said, "To bring it forth into the world of speech and analytical thought is like spoiling milk by adding vinegar". I very much agree with you here, and my difficult in explaining myself and my difficulty to write about my experiences (something I have attempted to do and failed many times) is a testimony to that. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't try, because if no one ever tried so many people would miss out on those experiences... and ultimately reading about something and living them are different anyway.

      Buddha and his predecessors talked about things like "The Clear Light of the Absolute Reality" (in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, it is described as all-cognizant, all-satisfying, etc). How is that any different than just saying "God"? Isn't God always equated with things such as light?

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  8. And when we ask ourselves, "Is this feeling Invisible Sky-Ghost trying to make contact with my brain, or is it more likely some dopamine isomer being produced by my limbic system?" it's like asking, "Does the light go on in my refrigerator because of the Invisible Man who magics it on, or is it because the little pressure-sensitive button protrudes and contains a piece of metal which closes the circuit leading to the AC outlet in my wall, which also passes through the lightbulb?" To choose between these two explanations (or countless others), we must invoke Occam's Razor. All other things being equal, which explanation, while accounting for all of the known facts, requires fewer explanations, when all its ramifications are considered? I hear so many people think Santa Claus is silly because no one's seen him, who will swear that God is not only quite real, but is all-loving, all-powerful, and condemns unbelievers to everlasting flames. I hear people say Spider-Man isn't real because he exists only in a comic book -- but lend credence to a desert patriarchal deity mentioned in a Bronze-Age manuscript. Do you feel the cognitive dissonance here?

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    1. The fact that experiences such as falling in love and being filled with awe at the sight of something beautiful can be measured and observed as changes in the biological system does not make them any less beautiful. We know that in order for those things to happen naturally, there must be an external cause (in this case a girl/boy, or the sight of a beautiful mountain), and we know that those things are perceivable for a reason.

      Neurosurgeons have already discovered that certain things can be done to stimulate a "spiritual experience". Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-spiritual-doorway-in-the-brain/201101/living-our-spiritual-brain

      I invite you to read that article.

      I also do not believe in a God who sends people to everlasting flames. I believe in Reincarnation, as do most of the mystics who had the spiritual experiences happen to them naturally (the kind mentioned above in that article) both in this era and eras before.

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    2. I looked at your links. They're just pop psych and theosophy, Dylan. There's nothing substantial or conclusive about them at all. They prove nothing.

      You believe in reincarnation; I believe in the Blue Fairy from Pinocchio. Without falsifiability, what does it matter? You claim the evidence-based mind is not open. I say the opposite: if you form your beliefs based on evidence, new evidence -- real evidence, mind -- will cause you to change your views if it disproves your previous conceptions. Indeed, science reserves its highest awards for those who do just that. How does religion react to new evidence and education? We have only to look at Galileo recanting under threat of the rack, or Malala, the fifteen-year-old Pakistani girl who was shot by the Tailban (and survived) for wanting to go to school, to see how religion reacts to new ideas.

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    3. When did I claim the evidence-based mind is not open? I am saying that the people nowadays shut there mind very tight in the face of information such as mysticism. There is more than enough evidence to support mysticism, and it is all very real.

      How does science react to new ideas? Ideas that would radically change it? Robert Munroe and his research proved again and again that out of body experiences are real, and that they can be had by anyone, and that the "world" experienced in the out of body state has consistency. But his research is dismissed on no other grounds that it sounds crazy. Crazy, but not impossible.

      For every boo-hoo story about religion causing someone pain, there are many, many more stories about religion causing someone joy, great comfort, and self-improvement. I am an example of that, and so are many others. In the above article, I comment on how when people with your beliefs look at examples of religious people, they will always, always look to people such as the Taliban, or Fundamentalists, and always inconspicuously leaving out genuinely great people like Yogananda and St. Padre Pio.

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    4. I myself know that what Robert Munroe's research claims is true, because of the fact that his techniques to induce the out of body state work and all of my own experiences line up with his. The same with Paramahansa Yogananda. The things I have experienced line up with the incredible things he claims.

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  9. I must disagree with your statement that the various deities of the world are not only compatible but similar. They are similar only in the fact that each excludes the others.

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    1. They do not exclude each other. "One God with Many Faces". Read this: http://integralscience.wordpress.com/1993/01/01/on-the-transcendent-unity-of-religions/

      The diagram on that page is useful for understanding this idea.

      Essentially, God is not limited to one period of time, or to one person, or to one group of people or culture, etc. God can interact with as many people as he likes, and continues to. All those people in the article I mentioned are people who I qualified as "experts" on these type of topics, and they lived within the last 100 years, independently of each other, and all experienced the same spiritual things, the same as people have experienced throughout the ages.

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  10. "Experts"? How can you have "experts" on a topic which claims itself not subject to verifiability, and for all we can see, is merely the fantasy of deluded minds? WIthout evidence, what could one possible appeal to as a hallmark of "expertise"? OK. New rules. I hereby proclaim myself expert on the World-Girdling Worm that is the source of the light in my refrigerator? What poor benighted sould dares disagree that this great worm is the source of all revealed knowledge?

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    1. I can dispute your "World-Girdling Worm" with the fact that you have no testimonies. All of the people mentioned in the above article have testimonies of the exact same spiritual realities, and they all had these experiences totally independently of each other. Why do you continously ignore this simple and astonishing fact?

      Did you look at any of the articles that I linked to you? I've looked at yours, it would only be fair if you looked at mine.

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    2. Alas, I must do as you did with Bronowski's Ascent of Man, and plead lack of time.

      I think it would get us nowhere in any case. I will not accept anecdotes as constituting sufficient evidence, and no scientist worth his salt ever has, because of the selection bias and the malleability inherent in the all-too-suggestible and fallible human mind -- to establish a claim as fact, there must be reproducible tests that are not solely dependent on subjective accounts. And you have nothing else to offer as evidence. Therefore, our positions are utterly irreconcileable.

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    3. I have told you that I watched one of the other links, and I have also told you that I will watch it when I DO have the time. A 40-minute video is different than a 1-page article, or even two or three 1-page articles. Did you not see my reply to your comment about being frustrated about me not watching Bronowski? Scroll up and see it.

      Our positions are not utterly irreconcileable. For example, you said "to establish a claim as fact, there must be reproducible tests that are not solely dependent on subjective accounts". I read Robert Munroe's books about Out of Body Experiences, and Nicholas Newport's videos on how to achieve those same states, and by following there time and time again tested techniques I was able to induce the out-of-the-body state on myself. Through meditation I have experienced the same mystical phenomena as Yogananda and many others.

      If you only open your mind, you could also experience those things as anyone can. But, unfortunately, after a certain point, people begin to cement there world-view and it does not become open to change. Especially when the idea would involve the upheaval of ideas they have sworn to for a very long time.

      Every link above that you neglected to look at speaks to the fact that A) Experiences of the otherworldly are real, B) They can be done by anyone, with enough effort and persistence, and C) That people all through history, everywhere around the world, have also experienced them. There are several other conclusions that one would naturally draw by doing those things.

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    4. I have little doubt there are exercises one may do that, having the belief beforehand, will confirm them in that belief. I myself have experienced a number of really strange things while doing, for example, taijiquan; but what a thing appears to be is not always what it is. We seem to be wandering in other worlds when dreaming, and some will even go so far as to say that we are; but the mind is capable of hallucination, it is capable especially of wish-fulfilling self-delusion, and even memory has been shown to be altered by each act of recollection.

      I do not think, though, that a beneficial practice need be abandoned simply because it is not what it appears to be. I continue to practise taijiquan, for example, but I do not obsess on the question, for example, of whether qi is really flowing through my body or the universe is "really" inhaling and exhaling with me. It is enough for me that it appears to be, and I accept that at face value. But that is quite a different thing than claiming that there is a mysterious force called qi that actually does permeate the universe. That is unprovable and untestable, and in any case, quite irrelevant to my practice of taijiquan.

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    5. The world-girdling worm does have supporting testimonies. We have only to look at the Elder Futhark to find the accounts of ancients dating back a thousand years, recounting how the Serpent of Midgard spans the entire circumference of the earth. How is this any more ridiculous than the notion that we have ghosts inside us that transmigrate from one body to another? Apart from accidents of birth and culturally inherited prejudice local to our time and country, I mean.

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    6. That's awesome about taijuquan!! Why do you have to deny the fact that strange things are happening when you do Taijiquan? Does a scientist have to say it for you to believe it? Is the fact that hundreds of studies haven't been done on it yet prove that it isn't true?

      It is true that the mind plays tricks on us. The "trick" it plays on itself is weakness. It is deluded into thinking that matter and chance have dominion over it, when it is really the other way around.

      It is true about what you said in regards to beneficial practices. It is good that you are keeping up with taijiquan. If you are feeling qi flow through your body, again, why do you need a scientist to tell you that is or isn't true for your own, direct, personal perceptions to be real?

      There is a lot of evidence to support reincarnation. First and foremost being past life memories, something I have experienced and that anyone can. Dr. Ian Stevenson talked about the phenomenon of "xenoglossy", where someone knows a language they have never been taught, someone who is very young. Watch that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pPBwFFWz_k&feature=youtu.be


      Further research based off of Dr. Ian Stevenson can be found here, where we meet a man who can track his rebirths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVeG4tVKbo&feature=youtu.be

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    7. I think you're making a lot of assumptions about the way I think, that aren't founded in what I said. To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, you are representing a weaker version of my views because you are translating them into something that makes sense to you personally, instead of trying to actually understand what it is I am saying. Re: my taiji experiences, I deny nothing about them whatsoever -- I take them at face value. But I won't make an absolutist, objectivist claim about what they are, because I feel it's dishonest to postulate a theory without evidence -- what I have to go on are my subjective sensations, nothing more. When you don't know something, the honest thing to do is admit it, rather than falling back on dogmas, superstitions, and suppositions.

      There is no hard evidence whatsoever to support reincarnation. If you're going to start using anecdotes as evidence, what about people who claim to have been abducted by aliens? What about people who claim to be Jesus Christ, or Napoleon? I can assure you, there's no shortage of people with delusional beliefs. Without hard evidence for something, you either wind up supporting a ragbag of mutually incompatible beliefs or you wind up cherry-picking the ones you like based on pure temperament. In both cases the decision is arbitrary and without any backing in fact.

      What makes you think I need a scientist to validate my experiences during taiji or other practices? Again, my thinking cuts the other way -- I refuse to fit a dogma to what are most honestly understood as odd sensations. There are times when a model, an analogy, is helpful in the performance of some exercise -- for example, to visualize a string pulling at the top of one's head and bricks weighing down the shoulders when performing a posture -- but that doesn't mean we think the string or the bricks are real.

      But if you don't believe evidence is necessary to formulate beliefs, we cannot have a rational conversation. This is what I meant when I said it's unlikely we'll get anywhere. If religious people were accessible to reason, there wouldn't be any religious people.

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  11. P.S. I know you know who I am (you're approximately as smart as I was at your age, and I could have figured it out based on what you know). I had no intention of hiding my identity originally, but when I went to publish using my Google ID the name was published as "Unknown." So I let it lie, because the message, not the author, is what is relevant in this conversation.

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  12. This is an extremely Nice and Thoughtful read...as for God or Higher Realms...Let me exercise up my continence and meditation practice and only then I can answer for experience...What I have learned from Meditation so far is that mind is the most fascinating place...It is the object of investigation, It is the Tool and it is The Obdserver..All these years through rationalization and through cognition and perception of the the external world, I have not been able to scratch 1 percent of the Mind.....And that is something I want to point out to young seekers (and I use that term for both Rationalists and Contemplative(Spiritual) seekers).....Donot let too much of the background Noise in terms of Internet forums, articles and Youtube get to you....Its very easy to be lost in them and not doing the actual hard work that these contemplative spiritual disciplines expect of you..May be I am driving my agenda here so I will try to limit my stance...Too much back on forth on the Internet can really disturb your mental peace and concentration and may not in the end ven allow you to come to a Philosophical conclusion so that you can carry on your Life based on that conclusion...This can get mentally unhealthy....So Contemplation is the key..whatever end result out of that meditation practice of several years you receive, is for you...Donot expect the world to follow You and even if they do donot get elated...

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